[lugm.org] Announcing a Mauritian tech forum

selven pcthegreat at gmail.com
Wed Dec 18 09:54:45 UTC 2013 

I didnt cry or complain i was just it is unrealistic to host anything
without cutting down cost or without assuming some customers do not use as
much as others. So it is buullshit to dream of local hosting here at
affordable prices and decent uplink.
On Dec 18, 2013 12:45 AM, "Keshwarsingh Nadan" <
keshwarsingh.nadan at servihoo.net> wrote:

> Cry as much as you want, MT doesn't give a shit.
>
> If only you knew how much it cost per mbit to route through malaysia & the
> price you are paying...
>
> Normally from MU to Malaysia, its around 65 - 85 ms.
>
> K
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:33 AM, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ipv6, great stuffs, but why would i change if currently v4 is not much a
>> problem for me. Even as a tech user i just adapt only out of need to keep
>> myself as lazy as possible.
>>
>> Mauritian hosting easy to say but how do you provide cheap hosting given
>> the crappy connection versus price we have here?
>>
>> Singapore, some ips go through malaysia some still goes through linx
>> weird peering. That is also why am unable to use my quakelive premium
>> account in singapore any more, latency is a b*tch.
>>
>> How would you propose to solve the hosting problem without having to give
>> up all your fortune to MT and still get any profit out of it? Setting up
>> local exchange points and bypassing isp crazy rivalry? Who sponsors the
>> scene?
>>
>> :) the problem is not technical it is with the people itself no one can
>> do anything about it because of the society's corruptive nature.
>>
>> Binary.mu might work, i remember when i was still running hackers.mu it
>> used to run decently with decent amount of ppl without me actually doing
>> anything to it. Problem is you need lots of patience to keep focus into
>> moderating the place.
>>
>> Good luck for binary.mu
>> On Dec 18, 2013 12:02 AM, "Avinash Meetoo" <avinash at noulakaz.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious.
>>>
>>> What local hosting provider has decent prices AND IPv6?
>>>
>>> Another question : given that most Mauritians access the Internet using
>>> an IPv4 address assigned by their ISP, what does IPv6 bring for them?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Avinash
>>> On Dec 17, 2013 10:28 PM, "Keshwarsingh Nadan" <
>>> keshwarsingh.nadan at servihoo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> fck you are damn right. +101 _)))
>>>>
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Nishal Goburdhan <ndg at ieee.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Dec 2013, at 5:05 PM, Vy-Shane Sin Fat <shane at node.mu> wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Nishal Goburdhan <ndg at ieee.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The site is hosted on Amazon's EC2. I picked EC2 simply because...
>>>>>
>>>>> full disclosure:  i'm neither mauritian, nor based in MU anymore.  i
>>>>> monitor this list out of curiosity mostly.  which also means i have zero
>>>>> commercial interest in this.
>>>>>
>>>>> from my days in MU, there seems to be a large culture of "not caring
>>>>> where we host".
>>>>> (actually, it was worse that that;  it was also a "not caring how
>>>>> we're addressed";  i have strong issues with companies that have mail
>>>>> addresses ending in @gmail.com / intnet.mu because, it tells me that
>>>>> they lack their own online business identity, which i think is important.)
>>>>>
>>>>> i've always believed that the goal to success is to lead by example;
>>>>>  the organisation that i did have ties to while i was in MU, made a point
>>>>> of keeping, and hosting, the mauritian facing part of their infrastructure
>>>>> in MU, even though it was more expensive.  i know that some people on this
>>>>> list share that mentality.  i think that's an important part of growing the
>>>>> local market.
>>>>>
>>>>> my point about "not hosting in MU" was really, to kickstart some local
>>>>> organisation into seeing that this is actually something useful, and
>>>>> perhaps gearing them to work with you, and vice-versa.  after all, if you
>>>>> don't start investing in your own local environment, don't expect others
>>>>> to... !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> ** makes access to this slower for MU users, which in turn would
>>>>> make them less likely to want to contribute
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The box is hosted in Singapore, which among EC2's regions, is I think
>>>>> > the best the region for Mauritian users. I've kept graphics to a
>>>>> > minimum on the site. Hopefully load times shouldn't be too much of a
>>>>> > problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> from what i remember of the way that MT and Emtel do their routing,
>>>>> that's probably not going to be the case.
>>>>> they both breakout for IP transit in europe primarily, although MT
>>>>> does have a branch to malaysia telecom.
>>>>> that used to be used for backup mostly, but that might have changed;
>>>>>  i see a traceroute from MU does indeed go MY->SG, so that's good for now!
>>>>>
>>>>> anyway..that's not necessarily relevant :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> * as a sometimes techie, i'd say:   "what, no IPv6?"     ;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > IPv6 isn't a priority at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....don't say it like that  :-(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > I won't rule it out, but I think
>>>>> > that the biggest challenge for the site is not technical at all. The
>>>>> > question is: does Mauritius even need a tech forum? Will people be
>>>>> > interested enough to join and use it? If no one uses the site, it'll
>>>>> > just quietly fade away.
>>>>>
>>>>> in south africa, there's a local end-user/tech forum called
>>>>> mybroadband(.co.za).
>>>>> i forget the history (it's been a while) but it started as just a way
>>>>> for people to write about/discuss their online experiences.  at the time,
>>>>> this was limited to just the DSL offering from the incumbent, but over
>>>>> time, this has grown, and become the de-facto go-to site for most home
>>>>> networking / general simple tech issues.  analogous to the whirlpool forums
>>>>> that you'd find in australia.
>>>>> one thing that spawned from these forums, was some sort of tech
>>>>> journalism - see http://mybroadband.co.za/news/
>>>>> they've gown - so much so, that they now have an annual large meeting
>>>>> that attracts *lots* of folks.
>>>>> that's *one* possible growth path for you...iirc, there's just the
>>>>> orange tech fair that happens once a year in MU as a generic "tech" show,
>>>>> and that's just around stuff that they sell.
>>>>>
>>>>> let me be clear;  i support the idea of a tech-forum.  but, as you
>>>>> rightfully said, it should be something that the locals want, and that they
>>>>> support.  props to you for setting this up - and double props for using a
>>>>> .mu domain as i know it's hideously expensive.   a good thing to use this
>>>>> forum for, is to show best practices - two of which i outlined earlier -
>>>>> local hosting (the need for it), and IPv6 - and that's why i mentioned them
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm guessing you have a strategy to market this inside MU, or is that
>>>>> what this post is - to ask for marketing strategies - and bring awareness -
>>>>> to/from the list inhabitants?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> as a more networking related geek, i'd bemoan that there isn't a
>>>>> "networking" section, but i guess that this is aimed at home users, so the
>>>>> routing protocol market is small here ;-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --n.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've renamed the forum "The Server Room" to "Servers and Networking"
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> heh.  thanks  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --n.
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