[lugm.org] Linus Torvalds finds GNOME 3.4 to be a "total user experience design failure"
Arvind Doobary
arvind.d at intnet.mu
Tue Jun 5 17:09:50 UTC 2012
I've been sharing his feelings since GNOME 3.X. I really find 3.x to be
very counter-productive and stuck to using Gnome 2. I'll wait a bit more
to try out Cinnamon though, as I don't have much time to tinker with my
system for now. Anyone tried Cinnamon (cinnamon.linuxmint.com) ?
-Arv
On 05/06/12 20:56, Yasir MX wrote:
> Torvalds has long disliked the GNOME 3.x family
> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-see-a-gnome-fork/9347>.
> But, as Torvalds explained in his Google+ posting on GNOME 3.4:
> <https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i>
>
> I broke down, and upgraded my old aging Fedora
> <http://fedoraproject.org> install on my desktop. Simply because
> my old F14 comes with ancient X versions that don't contain all
> the fixes to make Intel 3D really work well. And yes, things
> really do work better on the graphical side.
> But with F17 comes gnome3 <http://www.gnome.org/>. And I knew I'd
> have trouble, but also knew that most of the worst crap could be
> fixed with extensions, and I'd used 3.4 on my laptop enough to
> know it should be all somewhat usable.
>
>
> Torvalds had had enough with the GNOME Shell Extensions way of
> "fixing" GNOME.
>
> I have to say, I used to think that the "extensions.gnome.org"
> approach to fixing the deficiencies in gnome3 was really cool.
> It made me go "Ahh, now I can fix the problems I had".
> But it turns out to be a *major* pain, when it basically ends
> up as a really magical way to customize your desktop, which
> breaks randomly and has no sane way to do across machines. And
> the extensions seem to randomly break when you update the
> system, so they don't work as well as they would if they just
> came with the base system.
> End result: extensions.gnome.org may be a really cool idea,
> but it seems to have some serious usability problems in
> practice. And the whole gnome3 approach of "by default we
> don't give you even the most basic tools to fix things, but
> you can hack around things with unofficial extensions" seems
> to be a total UX (user experience design) failure.
>
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> Later on in the resulting discussion, several people suggest that
> Torvalds just use the GNOME 3.4 keyboard shortcuts. Torvalds was
> not amused.
>
> I'm really tired of the f*cking old "just use the keyboard
> shortcuts" crap. Sure, if you're a keyboarding person, then
> gnome3 is a big improvement. But dammit, if you're like me,
> and you *write* using the keyboard, and then use mousing for
> other operations, gnome3 is just not doing the right thing.
> And what irritates me is how the gnome3 fanboys (and more
> importantly, developers), seem to never acknowledge that
> different people have different tastes. The whole "we know
> best" thing is a disease.
> I'm really not that odd. I want a *few* things:
>
> - smaller fonts (especially window decorations)
> - sane "start new terminal" without multiple steps from
> the panel
> - auto-hide the panel so that I don't have to feel "all
> emo all the time"
> - focus-follows-mouse
> - the ability to use a few default flags for certain programs
>
> and the fact is that none of the above are "odd" requests, but
> for some unknown reasons gnome makes these fundamental things
> really inconvenient and hard to find.
> And christ people - stop telling me about gnome-tweak-tool. I
> *know *. I mentioned the damn thing in the post, for chissake!
> Telling me about the tweak tool just shows that you didn't
> even bother to read what I wrote.
> I have found how to do all of the above things - except for
> the "flags for favorite applications" - but the fact is, the
> gnome extensions are not reliable and the UX *sucks*.
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> full article @
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-34-to-be-a-total-user-experience-design-failure/11127?tag=nl.e539
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