<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
I've been sharing his feelings since GNOME 3.X. I really find 3.x to
be very counter-productive and stuck to using Gnome 2. I'll wait a
bit more to try out Cinnamon though, as I don't have much time to
tinker with my system for now. Anyone tried Cinnamon
(cinnamon.linuxmint.com) ? <br>
<br>
-Arv<br>
<br>
On 05/06/12 20:56, Yasir MX wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:SNT128-W601B2B991D340FB11FAF94AA0C0@phx.gbl"
type="cite">
<style><!--
.hmmessage P
{
margin:0px;
padding:0px
}
body.hmmessage
{
font-size: 10pt;
font-family:Tahoma
}
--></style>
<div dir="ltr">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-see-a-gnome-fork/9347">Torvalds
has long disliked the GNOME 3.x family</a>. But, as <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i">Torvalds
explained in his Google+ posting on GNOME 3.4:</a><br>
<blockquote>
I broke down, and upgraded my old aging <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fedoraproject.org">Fedora</a>
install on my desktop. Simply because my old F14 comes with
ancient X versions that don’t contain all the fixes to make
Intel 3D really work well. And yes, things really do work
better on the graphical side.<br>
But with F17 comes <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gnome.org/">gnome3</a>. And I knew I’d have
trouble, but also knew that most of the worst crap could be
fixed with extensions, and I’d used 3.4 on my laptop enough to
know it should be all somewhat usable.<br>
<br>
<br>
Torvalds had had enough with the GNOME Shell Extensions way of
“fixing” GNOME.<br>
<blockquote>
I have to say, I used to think that the
“extensions.gnome.org” approach to fixing the deficiencies
in gnome3 was really cool. It made me go “Ahh, now I can fix
the problems I had”.<br>
But it turns out to be a <strong>major</strong> pain, when
it basically ends up as a really magical way to customize
your desktop, which breaks randomly and has no sane way to
do across machines. And the extensions seem to randomly
break when you update the system, so they don’t work as well
as they would if they just came with the base system.<br>
End result: extensions.gnome.org may be a really cool idea,
but it seems to have some serious usability problems in
practice. And the whole gnome3 approach of “by default we
don’t give you even the most basic tools to fix things, but
you can hack around things with unofficial extensions” seems
to be a total UX (user experience design) failure.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Later on in the resulting discussion, several people suggest
that Torvalds just use the GNOME 3.4 keyboard shortcuts.
Torvalds was not amused.
<blockquote>
I’m really tired of the f*cking old “just use the keyboard
shortcuts” crap. Sure, if you’re a keyboarding person, then
gnome3 is a big improvement. But dammit, if you’re like me,
and you <strong>write</strong> using the keyboard, and then
use mousing for other operations, gnome3 is just not doing
the right thing.<br>
And what irritates me is how the gnome3 fanboys (and more
importantly, developers), seem to never acknowledge that
different people have different tastes. The whole “we know
best” thing is a disease.<br>
I’m really not that odd. I want a <strong>few</strong>
things:<br>
<ul>
- smaller fonts (especially window decorations)<br>
- sane “start new terminal” without multiple steps from
the panel<br>
- auto-hide the panel so that I don’t have to feel “all
emo all the time”<br>
- focus-follows-mouse<br>
- the ability to use a few default flags for certain
programs
</ul>
and the fact is that none of the above are “odd” requests,
but for some unknown reasons gnome makes these fundamental
things really inconvenient and hard to find.<br>
And christ people - stop telling me about gnome-tweak-tool.
I <strong>know </strong>. I mentioned the damn thing in
the post, for chissake! Telling me about the tweak tool just
shows that you didn’t even bother to read what I wrote.<br>
I have found how to do all of the above things - except for
the “flags for favorite applications” - but the fact is, the
gnome extensions are not reliable and the UX <strong>sucks</strong>.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
full article @
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-34-to-be-a-total-user-experience-design-failure/11127?tag=nl.e539">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-finds-gnome-34-to-be-a-total-user-experience-design-failure/11127?tag=nl.e539</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">__________________________________________________________
Linux User Group of Mauritius (LUGM) Discuss mailing list
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lugm.org">http://lugm.org</a>
Mailing list archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://discuss.lugm.org/pipermail/discuss_lugm.org/">http://discuss.lugm.org/pipermail/discuss_lugm.org/</a>
Forum: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lugm.org/forum/">http://lugm.org/forum/</a>
IRC: #linux.mu on Freenode
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>