[lugm.org] Linux meetup today

Mon Sep 28 13:26:29 UTC 2015

Hi there,

I had to answer to this email.

> I now remember why I never tested hangout, its not a FLOSS program.
> So how come a LUG is forcing its members to use a proprietary program,
> unless this event is not officially patronised .by LUGM  There are
> other FLOSS alternatives to video conferencing.
> http://alternativeto.net/software/google-hangouts/?license=opensource

Are you joking to post this kind of link? Did you at least read the 
content of the page an read the so called alternatives proposed?

- TextSecure??? How can a messaging app be compared to a vidéo 
conferencing service?
- RedPhone, no vidéo support, only audio.
- Linphone supports vidéo, but it crashes the app.
- Tox is still in alpha and not reliable now.
  I won't continue throught the list, I hope you get my point. Please 
evaluate what you are proposing like you did with Pidgin.

I myself hate to use proprietary program and I am in favour of only 
using FOSS, but there is a way to say it properly.
To help on the topic, here are some alternatives using webRTC you can 
try out and get an opinion. It only offers https encryption and no 
end-to-end encryption for now.
- https://meet.jit.si/ (Firefox support is coming in v41 or 42), no 
mobile support yet
- https://talky.io/ mobile and desktop support, no subscription needed
- https://appear.in/ mobile and desktop support, no subscription needed

The day a truly FOSS alternative to google hangout (and skype) will ever 
exists, let me tell you that geeks all over the world will use it, LUGM 
included!
It's a shame that today, no FOSS alternative works reliably out of the 
box. I tried Jitsi to Jitsi but you have to use a TURN server to pass 
proxy and do NAT traversal.

The only good FOSS I know would be to install Jitsi Videobridge on a 
server and configure clients to use it.
https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiVideobridge

Let us know if you succeed in installing it rather than ranting about 
hangout not being a FLOSS program. Everyone knows it. In the meantime 
some are being pragmatic and prefer using things that works rather than 
nothing.

Jean

Le 2015-09-26 20:07, Loganaden Velvindron a écrit :
> 3 people were able to get there. If you were indeed lost, you could
> have simply called.
> The time was given in advance, and nobody objected, and we got quite a
> few people.
> I raised the issue of the need for a webmaster for lugm.org, and made
> a call for volunteers. You never stepped in. I also proposed your name
> concerning the NCB/LUGM event for infotech, but you were not able to
> join a google hangout session.
> Google hangout just works, and reduces the barrier for someone to
> join. Remember, we need low latency for video conferencing. Are you
> going to provide us with a server in a local datacenter to host an
> Open Source video conference server ? I'd be happy to work on that
> server if you mail me the SSH credentials.
> 
> 
> 
>      On Saturday, 26 September 2015, 17:48, Jheengut Pritvi
> <z.coldplayer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  where ???
> 
> previous emails suggested knowledge seven , now only a street is given
> 
> that too the street name is spelled uncorrectly. or google map does
> not have such a street in its database
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Remono+St,+Curepipe,+Mauritius/@-20.3154968,57.5216621,679m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x217c5c42fe9df401:0x995b0853b4f66eae
> 
> 
> who gets up so early on a saturday? I only got up early at ten to
> watch Click on its AI based programs.
> 
> 
> a facebook event / meetup / eventbrite have an accompanying ics data
> file that can be imported by all FLOSS calender programs I tested and
> used. even openoffice v2 had an extension to import and edit the ics
> file.
> 
> there had been a question about hosting events too.
> 
> If this had been on official lugm event , then the event would have
> been hosted on http://lugm.org/events
> 
> and the last event happens to be
> http://lugm.org/events/list/?action=tribe_list&tribe_paged=1&tribe_event_display=past&ical=1&tribe_display=past.
> 
> 
> I now remember why I never tested hangout, its not a FLOSS program.
> So how come a LUG is forcing its members to use a proprietary program,
> unless this event is not officially patronised .by LUGM  There are
> other FLOSS alternatives to video conferencing. 
> http://alternativeto.net/software/google-hangouts/?license=opensource
> I was introduced to chat at LIO using pidgin . pidgin supports video
> https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#VoiceandVideoMicrophoneandWebcamSupport
> 
> or is it referring to hangout here
> https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#WhycantIdoavideocallwiththeGMailclient
> 
> 
> 
> In this view,   non-drm formats when hosted on youtube, I do not
> download. So I use youtube-dl -tc to download all such video's. and
> dailymotion too can be used,  
> https://www.dmcloud.net/doc/api/api-objects-drm.html , it has a nice
> api to reject streaming to non-compliant players.
> 
> On 26 September 2015 at 09:03, Loganaden Velvindron 
> <gnukid1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hosting venue is : 20, remeo street, Curepipe.
> 
> 
> 
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