[lugm.org] Upcoming meetup

Mon Jul 28 08:54:37 UTC 2014

:) Replied since it is you, as i thought i already left this discussion
since a long time ago! Not interested, not motivated.

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Nishal Goburdhan <ndg at ieee.org> wrote:

> On 01 Jun 2014, at 8:21 PM, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And yes, very little recognition is given on the island for people who
> volunteer their time for opensource.
>
> the nature of being a volunteer [1]  is that you don't need, or ask for
> credit afterwards, eh?  :-)
>
>
> In any form of volunteering, there needs to be some forms of incentives,
an example, logan's contribution to the opensource mostly attracted flames
rather than 'hey gj'.
Just my opinion, you are free to disregard and believe all is fine and
beautiful.

> > But still if we start giving out free consultancy to CORPORATES, at some
> point why would they feel the need to hire IT staffs? This is something
> that will be denigrating to IT people.
>
> i think you misunderstand the difference between volunteering some clueful
> suggestions, and offering to perform an IT overhaul...i volunteer
> suggestions to "corporates" all the time.  i see it as my responsibility,
> as a user of the internet.  don't you report things that don't work?  do
> you expect to be thanked/remunerated for doing that?  it's the same concept
> really  - volunteer suggestions, and some practical advice on how to fix
> it, and leave it to them to sort out the rest.
> it's when you _make the offer to fix it_, that you start cutting into
> their internal IT staff time.  pointing out things that are Just Plain
> Wrong is, just being polite.  at best, they take your voluntary suggestions
> to heart.  at worst, they ignore you, and you can continue snickering
> behind your $favourite_beverage about how you know more than they do.
>  c'est la vie.
>
>
I think you haven't been following this whole defimedia obsession. As a
user, one's responsibility is to constantly RANT about how crappy a service
is, and as an Advanced IT user, one's responsibility is to constantly RANT
using factual metrics.

But that's doesn't mean one should rant and propose solutions. If they
don't want to invest in getting an analyst, despite getting user rants, it
means they don't care about their users. If despite getting valuable
metrics from advanced users, well then just too bad, people cannot and
should not come into your office and shove proper procedures to you.

> > Analogy, A carpenter might decide to create new ways to make a kind of
> furniture, he might even be willing to teach carpenters the know how, but
> it would be very weird if he starts dedicating his time giving great
> furniture for free to MCB because MCB has shitty furniture for example.
>
> that seems quite incomplete as an analogy.  because, the natural extension
> to this, is that MCB sees that this is actually a great piece of furniture,
> and then contracts the carpenter to make more of these.
>
>
Nopes, that won't be a natural extension, that would be ONE possible
scenario. Just like another possible scenario is, "play dead and see how
much i can extort for free", but business is business, cutting down costs
is the new trend.

>
> > On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:13 PM, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > dot mu really sux though. We can't havea dot mu hosted in bulgaria...
>
> do you mean the performance of .MU sucks for you?  it doesn't for me at
> home in JNB:
> katala:~ nishal$ date
> Sun Jul 27 23:45:48 SAST 2014
> katala:~ nishal$ dig +nssearch mu | awk -F ' ' '{print $11, $12, $13, $14
> }'
> 2001:500:14:6010:ad::1 in 18 ms.
> 204.61.216.10 in 19 ms.
> 193.0.9.98 in 186 ms.
> 2001:67c:e0::98 in 195 ms.
> 195.253.64.5 in 210 ms.
> 77.72.229.254 in 212 ms.
> 2a01:5b0:4::5 in 220 ms.
> 2a01:3f0:0:306::53 in 228 ms.
>
>

.MU doesn't sucks for you... awesome, you live in JNB right. (personally
even in your example, too much latency )

Doesn't seem logical for someone living in Mauritius to have this much
latency:

dig +nssearch mu
SOA udns1.tld.mu. hostmaster.nic.mu. 2014072822 21600 3600 604800 86400
from server 193.0.9.98 in 221 ms.
SOA udns1.tld.mu. hostmaster.nic.mu. 2014072822 21600 3600 604800 86400
from server 204.61.216.10 in 296 ms.
SOA udns1.tld.mu. hostmaster.nic.mu. 2014072822 21600 3600 604800 86400
from server 77.72.229.254 in 310 ms.
SOA udns1.tld.mu. hostmaster.nic.mu. 2014072822 21600 3600 604800 86400
from server 195.253.64.5 in 401 ms.
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

I don't know, do you see the above output as Awesome when you are actually
on THE island that the dot mu is supposed to represent?

> a quick look at the ns-set for this, tells me that this (.MU) is pretty
> well anycast.  there are some well known operators there.  perhaps you have
> a problem with _how_ and _where_ this is anycast, since it seems (from my
> limited network view) that there isn't a node inside mauritius.  so, imho,
> a more correct question should be:  why is it that, of the four (3) anycast
> providers that are carrying .MU, none of them are present on-island?   and,
> how can we change that?  after all, surely that's the most logical place to
> be, and if it's anycast, well, it's really quite trivial to deploy a new
> node, right...?
>
> i can immediately see one way to improve this for me, in JNB, and i'll be
> writing to the relevant operator after this.  (no - i don't even resolve
> domains in .mu often at all, but, i can spot an (obvious to me) problem,
> and, i want to do the Right Thing, and will voluntarily report this to the
> operator in question...and no, that's not free consulting...it's called
> making my small portion of the internet more resilient!  which will
> hopefully make things better for other people too.  and we all profit.  qed)
>
>
> Reporting to the operator here will end you with a guy called Johnny, he
will ask for your number, call you, to eventually tell you that nothing can
be done. I can understand, since he doesn't own the ISP. As for fixing
things here the proper way, i have given up all hopes, I sincerely believe
people should start doing finding technical flaws around to exploit
whatever they can to ease their life. Trying to make things good the right
way will just waste too much time off their lifetime.

> > On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Keshwarsingh Nadan <
> keshwarsingh.nadan at servihoo.net> wrote:
> > Blah blah blah & blah. The LUGM mailing list is not the proper list to
> discuss about slowness of whatever site.
>
> true.  it's probably the wrong place to pick on _a_ particular website.
>  but, if in the process of doing that, some people that aren't as familiar
> in the relevant technologies as you might be, learn something, then isn't
> that a good thing, and, in itself, fulfilling a core objective of the lugm?
>  i am not an application person, but the post earlier on was interesting
> enough for me to bookmark to read up about later.  so, thank you to the
> poster!
>
>
> > @S Moonesamy ,sorry, that stinks. I highly appreciate your contribution
> to RFCs, but acting as a dumbass including your previous attempts in
> criticizing the .mu tld is simply a waste of time.
>
>
> i think i missed a post in this thread....
> i've known SM to be obtuse at times  :-)  and, quite often very stubborn.
>  i've never known him to be a "dumbass" though.  at least not intentionaly.
>  and i'd disagree with you;  there are several things that _could_ be fixed
> w.r.t .MU that can only come out of constructive criticism.  if not from
> you (the informed locals), then where from ... ?
>
> --n.
>
> [1]  verb [ no obj. ]
> freely offer to do something: he volunteered for the job | [ with
> infinitive ] : I rashly volunteered to be a contestant.
> • [ with obj. ] offer (help): he volunteered his services as a driver for
> the convoy.
> • [ reporting verb ] say or suggest something without being asked: [ with
> obj. ] :it never paid to volunteer information | [ with direct speech ] :
> “Her name's Louise,” Christina volunteered.
> • work for an organization without being paid.
> • [ with obj. ] commit (someone) to a particular undertaking, typically
> without consulting them: he was volunteered for parachute training by
> friends.
>
>
> Volunteering is an act based purely on selfishness :) even if it might
seem to be a selfless act.

Interestingly, the researchers have also found that people who have more
seemingly "selfish" motivations--esteem enhancement, personal development
and understanding--are more likely to stick with a volunteering
organization longer than people with more "other focused" motivations, such
as values, according to Omoto.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec06/helping.aspx

Humans needs incentives, otherwise we wouldn't have such a nice dopamine
system.

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