[lugm.org] University of Mauritius Head technician

Thu Apr 19 08:36:08 UTC 2012

I quote TripleZ: "Do you blame the lecturer for not knowing, or the system
for not knowing how to recruit people. "
I don't believe that the lecturer actually "do not know", its just that,
they've been formed in a system that favors rote learning, and earning
marks rather than focusing on the important things like figuring out the
inner details of what they are learning, they have a job to make the
student succeed in that system... so how do you suppose they should teach
you?

Yes, the rote learners way, you can't blame the system for "recruitment",
you will need to blame the entire way the educational system is designed.
<-- and that my friend, unless you've got some serious money in your pocket
and lots of charisma, better not try yourself at fixing that.

Even more retarded, I saw that some universities were sending mails to
"large IT companies" to ask them their opinion about their curriculum they
provide, and if they need to add specific 'languages' that will help those
kids to get a job later on... wtf :s ... one doesn't go in a univ to learn
about technologies ... seriously, I smile when i see kids complaining that
"university is not teaching the latest coolest languages out there or not
teaching those cool frameworks out there", a univ is not about teaching you
how to use one or two tools, it is a place to learn how to think so as you
are later able to efficiently think for yourself to use anything later on,
if you want to go to learn a specific technology that would be called a
vocational training.. and those dumbasses don't get it... i know why...
because most of those technoweenies at univ just gets into the field to get
a job and not because they like doing what they think they want to do.

I quote TripleZ: "Pissed off with an educational system that doesn't work,
and doesn't care about whether the students learn or not. " <-- Seriously,
someone who likes his topic, will learn by himself/herself. Personally I
believe those exams are way too soft and based too much of rote learning,
there are not enough failures, and a lot of good elements are bordering
failure lines (and that's weird), and more dangerously, the industry
standards gets lowerred down, because there are not enough competent
fellows out there, dude imagine a first class Computer Science &
Engineering who has no clue where and what to start looking for if his/her
ftp server doesn't seem to respond from home :s .... that's when you would
want to hold a wall and puke!

But then, is it their fault? Not at all, is it the system which is wrong,
yes. But is the system the ultimate root cause? Nope, the root cause of
this is the people.. have an EDUCATED yet UNEDUCATED (go figure)
population. It will never get fixed before 2 more generations.

Also :p one more thing :p fighting for marks is stupid :D everyone gets
shitty salary once they leave univ, UNLESS they have attitude, charisma AND
knowledge :p. Just knowledge or just marks :p will NEVER yield to anything
but remaining a slave :p .. and trust me :p i see lots of slaves everyday,
sometimes you try to play god and fix em, but most of the time, they are
afraid or way too much of a wimp to raise their voices.

But then, lemme ask you all a question, you believe something is wrong with
those lecturers, :) tell me, what would be the "perfect" way to teach,
study and be tested? (start from a theoretical child XX). If i can't find
flaws in it :p, you get a free beer.

+$3|v3n

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:03 AM, TripleZ Seventeen <triplezliveson at gmail.com
> wrote:

> The issue here is not about whether the lecturers use rote learning in the
> first place or not. It's more about how come we have lecturers, who, as the
> students here have been saying, a bit incompetent. Do you blame the
> lecturer for not knowing, or the system for not knowing how to recruit
> people. This leads us to another interesting question, where are those who
> actually know the subject? My bet? Pissed off with an educational system
> that doesn't work, and doesn't care about whether the students learn or
> not. The educational system only cares about making money, and creating the
> maximum number of graduates.
>
> You can blame the lecturer, but at most what will happen is that the
> lecturer will be removed, and you'll get another, who will probably be the
> same.
> Want to do something worthwhile, change the system.
>
> -naresh
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What the heck is going on here. Stop judging people.
>>
>>
>> +selven
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Yasir MX <yasirmx at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  there's a lecturer who has suggested a project regarding networking bet
>>> he/she does not know whether you can have multiple network cards in the
>>> PC...
>>>
>>> rote learning yes!100% agree
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:12:41 +0400
>>> From: pcthegreat at gmail.com
>>> To: discuss at lugm.org
>>> Subject: Re: [lugm.org] University of Mauritius Head technician
>>>
>>>
>>> :) Problem is :p the entire educational system is based on rote learning
>>> here in Mauritius ... and England (where our system seems to be based from).
>>>
>>> interesting vid
>>> http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:03 PM, bbnadim <bbnadim at intnet.mu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 18 April 2012 17:30, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> :) Well, legally they can do that i believe.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1. But I was taking about something else : Parroting, without
>>> understanding. If you understand a topic, then u can explain it in your own
>>> words, in your style...
>>>
>>>  [...] the lecturer is supposed to be just a guide where if one
>>>
>>> is stucked can just query his opinions or if is in the wrong path get
>>> guided a lil bit by the lecturers.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> +1. BUT, how many can guide the students correctly ? Dunno about the
>>> lecturers at present, but i had a very bad experience when i was at UoM
>>> back some 15 years ago. Academically someone can be very good, but i think
>>> we need to be practical rather that learning by heart ...
>>>
>>> Personally I believe lecturers SHOULD have at least 3-5 years experience
>>> in the field (job market ?) before giving lectures or talk about a topic.
>>>
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