[lugm.org] Visibility and awareness of LUGM

aadil at lavabit.com aadil at lavabit.com
Thu Jan 20 13:20:43 UTC 2011 

> Relax Aadil. :-D
>
> It's a bit unwarranted criticism to paint a black and white picture of
> whether
> LUGM meets its objectives or not (I'm not a member of the managing
> committee).
>
> I do occasionally hang out on #linux.mu, and except for Vy-Shane who shows
> up from time to time, it's more or less inactive.
>
> There's some truth in what Jochen says about the cathedral model of the
> current
> group. This is something I talked about privately quite a few times. The
> cathedral
> model works as long as the core group can manage everything by itself.
> It's quite
> the opposite right now however. If the senior members would delegate a bit
> that
> could really help :-D.

You are highlighting a dysfunction of the group and yet you pointed out
that my criticism are "unwarranted"?

>
> This partly lead to the birth of groups like drupal.mu, Mauritius Blog
> machin... . LUGM
> is perceived as an elite group of Linux Ninjas, and we're a pretty closed
> organization.
>
> For once, I'd welcome a change where people who can _really_ afford to
> devote time
> to LUGM matters are selected to be part of the managing committee. No, I'm
> not preparing myself for the next elections :-D. I have too little free
> time of my own these days, and I'd welcome people like  for e.g Shaan
> Nobee (who has both time and skills) to be part of the managing committee,
> and I think it's a sensible choice. The
> managing committee should not be perceived as a glamurous position, but
> rather
> as a necessity that needs to be done by people who have both the time and
> energy to do it properly.
>
> [Shaan has already identified a 16-yrs guy who runs Linux servers, and
> wants to invite
> him to the next meeting. It's a pretty good thing IMO :-D]
>
> --- On Thu, 20/1/11, aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> From: aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com>
> Subject: Re: [lugm.org] Visibility and awareness of LUGM
> To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
> Date: Thursday, 20 January, 2011, 10:11
>
> I think you went in a different direction here, Ronny.
>
> And besides, what is all the issue with getting newbies?  Do we get
> points
> for that?  We have other objectives also, which we also failed as a
> managing committee.
>
>> as time goes, LUGS as ajay said are no more same.
>> Its been noticed worldwide.
>> at some time, we were all fanatics/lunatics (better word for nerds)
>> but now, for most of us in the LUGs, we are professionals with less time
>> to
>> do the main goal of the LUGs: advocate for linux (and open source)
>>
>> that said, sure, i agree, that LUGM is kinda dormant, and i do really
>> think
>> that logan is right in thinking that we need new blood.
>>
>> AND THAT THE PROBLEM OF MAURITIUS.
>> we dont attract people because all the jobs are winblow$ based-
>>
>> We can count on one hand the companies who offer jobs for people with
>> linux
>> knowledge
>> we can even name them
>> tuxlab
>> linkbynet
>> orinux
>> the company where selven works
>> the company where logan is forcing the use of linux
>>
>> WORSE: when you are a linux guy, you dont get girlfriends since you dont
>> use
>> smileys and other shits in msn :P
>>
>> i can be wrong in the counting though, but i dont see offers.
>>
>> In mauritius, the system taught at the UOM or even from primary school
>> is
>> to
>> always cover your back: so the saying in case of trouble - pas moi sa,
>> li
>> sa.
>> So they always choose some system that offers support (redhat never
>> comes
>> to
>> mind of the "IT Director")
>>
>> So for mauritius, its more the political power that we need, and none of
>> us
>> have the right contacts.
>> I think that one way is to use india as example and show those bastards
>> decisions makers who are paid by our tax money.
>> and also maybe play their game....
>>
>> sectarian group X (with tappeurs) is using linux, why not us :)
>>
>> as for now, what i see, is that most of us in the linux world in
>> mauritus,
>> well we are all self learners and dont really need teaching cos dont
>> forget,
>> we all learnt linux by ourselfs with a little/big help from the
>> veterans(not
>> in age though)
>> So meetings wont be that interresting for us. (even though one regarding
>> capturing films from myt was quite interresting - demo given from a guy
>> who
>> was using tin cans as wifi antennas :) )
>> UNLESS we do manage to get a group of convinced newbies.
>> But how?
>>
>> My nephew is at the IVTB in PL and learning IT: he already hacked the
>> laptop
>> of his teacher and also cleaned the computer lab of viruses.
>> and he does not even know bash, he only uses ubuntu.
>> all this to say, that its all political.
>> As long as as we dont get in that stratum, we wont go further... (dunno
>> if
>> the word stratum is the right one)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding forum, i agree totally with ajay, but we will need moderation
>> and
>> with the net becoming real time, its tough.
>> I think this is the reluctance of aadil.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, as conclusion, we are all right and we are all wrong cos things
>> have
>> change.
>> and thus we need to change, thus I think we will need to
>> 1. see how other LUGs managed the change
>> 2. see if we can adapt these changes to mauritian realities and its
>> s******** governing bodies
>> 3. who has time (no life?)
>>
>> Have a good cavedee
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ajay R Ramjatan
>> <ajay.ramjatan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The forum had more traffic involving newbies than the mailing list.
>>> There were more questions asked and answered over there. Do you have
>>> any reason for not bringing back something that worked?
>>>
>>> The things that we do need to be rethinked. LUGS are no longer that
>>> they used to be.
>>> Distributions are friendlier to install, hence less and less
>>> Installfests. Broadband is more available, hence less people look for
>>> CDs and DVDs to install. One thing I particularly liked is when
>>> someone asked for help and someone from the LUG who lived close to him
>>> went there to help.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:41 PM,  <aadil at lavabit.com> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I am against bringing back the forum.
>>> >
>>> > Yours truly,
>>> > Aadil.
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Guys / Girls,
>>> >>
>>> >> Agree with Ajay, forum is always a nice way to communicate with
>>> others
>>> >> even if we are a member to the mailing list / LUGM members or no.
>>> >>
>>> >> Web site is for general content regarding the LUGM news, events ,
>>> and
>>> >> misc content.
>>> >>
>>> >> well bring it up asap :D
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Anoop.
>>> >> Email : analyserx at gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Fingerprint :  C886 6BFF 6057 E357 5088  D02B BD5F 9291
>>> EA18 5A51
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Ajay R Ramjatan
>>> >> <ajay.ramjatan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We need our forum back. It does not require people to register to
>>> the
>>> >>> mailing list to ask questions. Forums are awesome.. we had one but
>>> >>> lost it on the road. I can bring it back up quick.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Jochen Kirstätter
>>> <lugm at ios.mu>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> > Hi,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On 18/01/11 16:12, thiery louison wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> What is needed is quality articles, that is more oriented
>>> towards
>>> >>> newbies.
>>> >>> >> A place where new comers would not be afraid to ask question or
>>> or
>>> >>> expose
>>> >>> >> there failures. It should be a place where answers to questions
>>> would
>>> >>> not be
>>> >>> >> one-liners(RTFM or Google it).
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > That's why I came up with the idea to aggregate individual
>>> bloggers
>>> >>> for the
>>> >>> > LUGM website.
>>> >>> > Take it as a start and see how it will work out.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Anyone read "The Bazaar and the Cathedrale"?
>>> >>> > Literally, LUGM stands for the cathedrale instead of the bazaar!
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >> I personally believe that for a such a site to exist. it should
>>> >>> organize
>>> >>> >> events(Quarterly basis, School Holidays) such as install
>>> Festival,
>>> >>> Boot
>>> >>> >> Camps and many more.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Sure, but there are also individual interests of LUGM members to
>>> earn
>>> >>> > money... So, there might be a dilemma...
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > Kind regards.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > A. Because it breaks the logical sequence
>>> of
>>> discussion
>>> >>> > Q. Why is top posting bad?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Get Blogged by JoKi - "The only frontiers are in your mind"
>>> >>> > Â http://jochen.kirstaetter.name/ - http://www.ios.mu/
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > __________________________________________________________
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>>> >>> > Forum: http://lugm.org/forum/
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>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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