The defendant is and still will end up guilty, for he signed a confidentiality agreement most probably, but point is the gpl is wrongly used in this case, and can this later be used as a reference?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Ajay R Ramjatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajay.ramjatan@gmail.com">ajay.ramjatan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
>From what I understand, the defendant was contracted to work on some<br>
code for Linux Solutions. The defendant decided to publish the code<br>
without the consent of the employer.<br>
<br>
If that's accurate, the defendant was doing a "work for hire" and was<br>
in the wrong to release the code.<br>
<br>
It does not seem to be a case of a customer buying a PABX product from<br>
Linux Solutions and then changing/redistributing GPL code<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 18:46, Aadil Noorkhan <<a href="mailto:aadil@lavabit.com">aadil@lavabit.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> I agree with Ronny: we are not lawyers and not expert in FOSS licences. But<br>
> we should have a better understanding of those licences than most people and<br>
> should point it to the law, while remaining neutral.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Aadil.<br>
><br>
> On 6/28/2011 6:40 PM, Ronny R. wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> we can also make the applicant aware that we are keen to help the<br>
>> defendant<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Ronny R.<<a href="mailto:redoverlord@gmail.com">redoverlord@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> hello<br>
>>><br>
>>> my opinion is that<br>
>>> 1. we are not lawyers<br>
>>> 2. sending a letter to the court is of no use as we dont have any locus<br>
>>> standi<br>
>>> 3. we better advise defendant to counter affidavit the one of the<br>
>>> applicant and then we can be of some help<br>
>>> but please note that in no case can we act as expert og the GPL laws,<br>
>>> we can provide the text and let the lawyers of the defendant analyse<br>
>>> and show to the court.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ronny<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Aadil Noorkhan<<a href="mailto:aadil@lavabit.com">aadil@lavabit.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hello,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The fraudulent statements in the affidavit are disturbing indeed.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We should inform the Supreme Court and both parties of the misleading<br>
>>>> statements via email and a letter, backed by solid evidence and signed<br>
>>>> by<br>
>>>> the LUGM managing committee, or simply the president.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If no response is received then we sent the letter to the press.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>> Aadil.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 6/28/2011 5:24 PM, Avinash Meetoo wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Dear all,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I have just received this email from Philip Hands in the UK referring<br>
>>>>> to<br>
>>>>> a case currently in the Supreme Court of Mauritius. It would seem that<br>
>>>>> the two parties involved have different opinions on what an open source<br>
>>>>> license really is, more specifically the GPL. Someone called Harald<br>
>>>>> Welte has written a post on his blog on this matter.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> A few months ago, someone called me at work asking me about what the<br>
>>>>> GPL<br>
>>>>> really means but I am not sure whether he is one of the parties<br>
>>>>> concerned.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> What do you think?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Avinash<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ---<br>
>>>>> From: *Philip Hands*<<a href="mailto:phil@hands.com">phil@hands.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:phil@hands.com">phil@hands.com</a>>><br>
>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:01 PM<br>
>>>>> Subject: [FTF-Legal] Mildly GPL related case in Supreme Court of<br>
>>>>> Mauritius<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi Avinash,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm forwarding this to your mailing list in the hope that someone on<br>
>>>>> the list knows how to inform your Supreme Court properly. It wasn't<br>
>>>>> clear to me if that was a subscriber-only list though, so I'm also<br>
>>>>> sending it to you direct, as you appear to to be the founder of the<br>
>>>>> LUG. I hope that's OK.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Here is the main point from the attached mail:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2011/06/27/" target="_blank">http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2011/06/27/</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> in which you can see that someone from <a href="http://www.linuxsolutions.mu/" target="_blank">http://www.linuxsolutions.mu/</a><br>
>>>>> seem to be claiming (under oath) that there is no difference between<br>
>>>>> GPL<br>
>>>>> licensed software, and Public Domain.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm sure that any feedback that you have would be welcome, either on<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:ftf-legal-bounces@fsfeurope.org">ftf-legal-bounces@fsfeurope.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ftf-legal-bounces@fsfeurope.org">ftf-legal-bounces@fsfeurope.org</a>><br>
>>>>> mailing list, or perhaps if you get in<br>
>>>>> touch with Harald Welte<<a href="mailto:laforge@gnumonks.org">laforge@gnumonks.org</a><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:laforge@gnumonks.org">laforge@gnumonks.org</a>>>, and he can then update<br>
>>>>> his blog (of course, you're welcome to reply to me as well).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Cheers, Phil.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> P.S. FYI I'm a long-time Debian Developer, and have hosted the Debian<br>
>>>>> UK<br>
>>>>> mirror (<a href="http://ftp.uk.debian.org" target="_blank">ftp.uk.debian.org</a><<a href="http://ftp.uk.debian.org" target="_blank">http://ftp.uk.debian.org</a>>) since the mid 90's<br>
>>>>> -- and I make occasional<br>
>>>>> contributions to the Free Software Foundation Europe mailing list where<br>
>>>>> this issue came up.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>>>> From: Harald Welte<<a href="mailto:laforge@gnumonks.org">laforge@gnumonks.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:laforge@gnumonks.org">laforge@gnumonks.org</a>>><br>
>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:ftf-legal@fsfeurope.org">ftf-legal@fsfeurope.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ftf-legal@fsfeurope.org">ftf-legal@fsfeurope.org</a>><br>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:58:53 +0200<br>
>>>>> Subject: [FTF-Legal] Mildly GPL related case in Supreme Court of<br>
>>>>> Mauritius<br>
>>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> since I don't expect everyone here is following my blog, I would like<br>
>>>>> to<br>
>>>>> post a small notice here:<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2011/06/27/" target="_blank">http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2011/06/27/</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The case is mostly about whether or not a freelancing contractor<br>
>>>>> (defendant) has broken and NDA and anti-competition clauses he signed<br>
>>>>> with the plaintiff.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I don't understand all the details as I have only some of the<br>
>>>>> documents, but for whatever reasons a "duly authorized marketing and<br>
>>>>> sales executive" of the company ceritifed under oath that "open-source<br>
>>>>> software like "Linux" have no copyright restrictions, which in effect<br>
>>>>> puts no restrictions on their user or distribution". And furthermore,<br>
>>>>> "any work derived from the open source software [...] becomes the<br>
>>>>> ownership of the applicant"<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I don't really see how this is cloesly related to the heart of the<br>
>>>>> case,<br>
>>>>> but I still think it's devastating to see such an argument be made in<br>
>>>>> front of the highest court of any (albeit small) country.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm not sure what can be done by the outside world (e.g. us) to help<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>> court understand that Linux as well as Asterisk are very well<br>
>>>>> copyrighted works, and that at least Linux is only available under<br>
>>>>> GPLv2, which has a number of conditions on its distribution.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> If anyone is interested in this, I have some more documetns that the<br>
>>>>> defendant has permitted me to share (not sure if he has authority to<br>
>>>>> permit that, but well...).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> (and in case you wonder, Mauritius has signed the Berne convention in<br>
>>>>> 1989).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Specifically if anyone has an interest to send some kind of<br>
>>>>> letter/amicus curiae to the court clarifying the issue, it would be<br>
>>>>> great. Apparently there are arguments on the lines of "you cannot just<br>
>>>>> download the GPL text from the internet and claim it is valid" etc.<br>
>>>>> The Judge seemed to describe himself as 'computer illiterate'.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Maybe there are also some existing English legal publications that one<br>
>>>>> could DHL/FedEx/UPS to the court ;)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>> Harald<br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> - Harald Welte<<a href="mailto:laforge@gnumonks.org">laforge@gnumonks.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:laforge@gnumonks.org">laforge@gnumonks.org</a>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://laforge.gnumonks.org/" target="_blank">http://laforge.gnumonks.org/</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ============================================================================<br>
>>>>> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."<br>
>>>>> (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch.<br>
>>>>> A6)<br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>> FTF-Legal mailing list<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:FTF-Legal@fsfeurope.org">FTF-Legal@fsfeurope.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:FTF-Legal@fsfeurope.org">FTF-Legal@fsfeurope.org</a>><br>
>>>>> <a href="https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/ftf-legal" target="_blank">https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/ftf-legal</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> |)| Philip Hands <a href="tel:%5B%2B44%20%280%2920%208530%209560" value="+442085309560">[+44 (0)20 8530 9560</a><br>
>>>>> <tel:%5B%2B44%20%280%2920%208530%209560>] <a href="http://www.hands.com/" target="_blank">http://www.hands.com/</a><br>
>>>>> |-| <a href="http://HANDS.COM" target="_blank">HANDS.COM</a><<a href="http://HANDS.COM" target="_blank">http://HANDS.COM</a>> Ltd. <a href="http://www.uk.debian.org/" target="_blank">http://www.uk.debian.org/</a><br>
>>>>> |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> *Avinash Meetoo**<br>
>>>>> **Managing-Director of Knowledge Seven*<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Call me on 493-9394 (Mobile) or 464-7446 (Office)<br>
>>>>> I am on my portal<<a href="http://www.avinashmeetoo.com/" target="_blank">http://www.avinashmeetoo.com/</a>>, LinkedIn<br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/avinashmeetoo" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/avinashmeetoo</a>>, Twitter<br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://twitter.com/AvinashMeetoo" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/AvinashMeetoo</a>> and Facebook<br>
>>>>> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/avinashmeetoo" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/avinashmeetoo</a>><br>
>>>>> Visit Knowledge Seven<<a href="http://www.knowledge7.com/" target="_blank">http://www.knowledge7.com/</a>> and our other sister<br>
>>>>> websites<<a href="http://www.knowledge7.com/page/internet-services" target="_blank">http://www.knowledge7.com/page/internet-services</a>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> __________________________________________________________<br>
>>>>> Linux User Group of Mauritius (LUGM) Discuss mailing list<br>
>>>>> Website: <a href="http://lugm.org" target="_blank">http://lugm.org</a><br>
>>>>> Mailing list archive: <a href="http://lugm.org/pipermail/discuss_lugm.org/" target="_blank">http://lugm.org/pipermail/discuss_lugm.org/</a><br>
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>>>>> IRC: #<a href="http://linux.mu" target="_blank">linux.mu</a> on Freenode<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> __________________________________________________________<br>
>>>> Linux User Group of Mauritius (LUGM) Discuss mailing list<br>
>>>> Website: <a href="http://lugm.org" target="_blank">http://lugm.org</a><br>
>>>> Mailing list archive: <a href="http://lugm.org/pipermail/discuss_lugm.org/" target="_blank">http://lugm.org/pipermail/discuss_lugm.org/</a><br>
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>>>> IRC: #<a href="http://linux.mu" target="_blank">linux.mu</a> on Freenode<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> __________________________________________________________<br>
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><br>
><br>
> __________________________________________________________<br>
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><br>
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