[lugm.org] Visibility and awareness of LUGM

Thu Jan 20 14:06:23 UTC 2011

> That was a bit harsh on them aadil. A less agressive approach would
> have made more people listen to you.
>

Perhaps, but it had to be said.

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> --- On Thu, 20/1/11, aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> From: aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com>
> Subject: Re: [lugm.org] Visibility and awareness of LUGM
> To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
> Date: Thursday, 20 January, 2011, 13:20
>
>> Relax Aadil. :-D
>>
>> It's a bit unwarranted criticism to paint a black and white picture of
>> whether
>> LUGM meets its objectives or not (I'm not a member of the managing
>> committee).
>>
>> I do occasionally hang out on #linux.mu, and except for Vy-Shane who
>> shows
>> up from time to time, it's more or less inactive.
>>
>> There's some truth in what Jochen says about the cathedral model of the
>> current
>> group. This is something I talked about privately quite a few times. The
>> cathedral
>> model works as long as the core group can manage everything by itself.
>> It's quite
>> the opposite right now however. If the senior members would delegate a
>> bit
>> that
>> could really help :-D.
>
> You are highlighting a dysfunction of the group and yet you pointed out
> that my criticism are "unwarranted"?
>
>>
>> This partly lead to the birth of groups like drupal.mu, Mauritius Blog
>> machin... . LUGM
>> is perceived as an elite group of Linux Ninjas, and we're a pretty
>> closed
>> organization.
>>
>> For once, I'd welcome a change where people who can _really_ afford to
>> devote time
>> to LUGM matters are selected to be part of the managing committee. No,
>> I'm
>> not preparing myself for the next elections :-D. I have too little free
>> time of my own these days, and I'd welcome people likeÃ‚Â  for e.g Shaan
>> Nobee (who has both time and skills) to be part of the managing
>> committee,
>> and I think it's a sensible choice. The
>> managing committee should not be perceived as a glamurous position, but
>> rather
>> as a necessity that needs to be done by people who have both the time
>> and
>> energy to do it properly.
>>
>> [Shaan has already identified a 16-yrs guy who runs Linux servers, and
>> wants to invite
>> him to the next meeting. It's a pretty good thing IMO :-D]
>>
>> --- On Thu, 20/1/11, aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com>
>> Subject: Re: [lugm.org] Visibility and awareness of LUGM
>> To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
>> Date: Thursday, 20 January, 2011, 10:11
>>
>> I think you went in a different direction here, Ronny.
>>
>> And besides, what is all the issue with getting newbies?Ã‚Â  Do we get
>> points
>> for that?Ã‚Â  We have other objectives also, which we also failed as a
>> managing committee.
>>
>>> as time goes, LUGS as ajay said are no more same.
>>> Its been noticed worldwide.
>>> at some time, we were all fanatics/lunatics (better word for nerds)
>>> but now, for most of us in the LUGs, we are professionals with less
>>> time
>>> to
>>> do the main goal of the LUGs: advocate for linux (and open source)
>>>
>>> that said, sure, i agree, that LUGM is kinda dormant, and i do really
>>> think
>>> that logan is right in thinking that we need new blood.
>>>
>>> AND THAT THE PROBLEM OF MAURITIUS.
>>> we dont attract people because all the jobs are winblow$ based-
>>>
>>> We can count on one hand the companies who offer jobs for people with
>>> linux
>>> knowledge
>>> we can even name them
>>> tuxlab
>>> linkbynet
>>> orinux
>>> the company where selven works
>>> the company where logan is forcing the use of linux
>>>
>>> WORSE: when you are a linux guy, you dont get girlfriends since you
>>> dont
>>> use
>>> smileys and other shits in msn :P
>>>
>>> i can be wrong in the counting though, but i dont see offers.
>>>
>>> In mauritius, the system taught at the UOM or even from primary school
>>> is
>>> to
>>> always cover your back: so the saying in case of trouble - pas moi sa,
>>> li
>>> sa.
>>> So they always choose some system that offers support (redhat never
>>> comes
>>> to
>>> mind of the "IT Director")
>>>
>>> So for mauritius, its more the political power that we need, and none
>>> of
>>> us
>>> have the right contacts.
>>> I think that one way is to use india as example and show those bastards
>>> decisions makers who are paid by our tax money.
>>> and also maybe play their game....
>>>
>>> sectarian group X (with tappeurs) is using linux, why not us :)
>>>
>>> as for now, what i see, is that most of us in the linux world in
>>> mauritus,
>>> well we are all self learners and dont really need teaching cos dont
>>> forget,
>>> we all learnt linux by ourselfs with a little/big help from the
>>> veterans(not
>>> in age though)
>>> So meetings wont be that interresting for us. (even though one
>>> regarding
>>> capturing films from myt was quite interresting - demo given from a guy
>>> who
>>> was using tin cans as wifi antennas :) )
>>> UNLESS we do manage to get a group of convinced newbies.
>>> But how?
>>>
>>> My nephew is at the IVTB in PL and learning IT: he already hacked the
>>> laptop
>>> of his teacher and also cleaned the computer lab of viruses.
>>> and he does not even know bash, he only uses ubuntu.
>>> all this to say, that its all political.
>>> As long as as we dont get in that stratum, we wont go further... (dunno
>>> if
>>> the word stratum is the right one)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding forum, i agree totally with ajay, but we will need moderation
>>> and
>>> with the net becoming real time, its tough.
>>> I think this is the reluctance of aadil.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, as conclusion, we are all right and we are all wrong cos things
>>> have
>>> change.
>>> and thus we need to change, thus I think we will need to
>>> 1. see how other LUGs managed the change
>>> 2. see if we can adapt these changes to mauritian realities and its
>>> s******** governing bodies
>>> 3. who has time (no life?)
>>>
>>> Have a good cavedee
>>> Ronny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ajay R Ramjatan
>>> <ajay.ramjatan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The forum had more traffic involving newbies than the mailing list.
>>>> There were more questions asked and answered over there. Do you have
>>>> any reason for not bringing back something that worked?
>>>>
>>>> The things that we do need to be rethinked. LUGS are no longer that
>>>> they used to be.
>>>> Distributions are friendlier to install, hence less and less
>>>> Installfests. Broadband is more available, hence less people look for
>>>> CDs and DVDs to install. One thing I particularly liked is when
>>>> someone asked for help and someone from the LUG who lived close to him
>>>> went there to help.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:41 PM,Ã‚Â  <aadil at lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am against bringing back the forum.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yours truly,
>>>> > Aadil.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi Guys / Girls,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Agree with Ajay, forum is always a nice way to communicate with
>>>> others
>>>> >> even if we are a member to the mailing list / LUGM members or no.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Web site is for general content regarding the LUGM news, events ,
>>>> and
>>>> >> misc content.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> well bring it up asap :D
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anoop.
>>>> >> Email : analyserx at gmail.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Ajay R Ramjatan
>>>> >> <ajay.ramjatan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We need our forum back. It does not require people to register to
>>>> the
>>>> >>> mailing list to ask questions. Forums are awesome.. we had one but
>>>> >>> lost it on the road. I can bring it back up quick.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Jochen
>>>> KirstÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¤tter
>>>> <lugm at ios.mu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> > Hi,
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > On 18/01/11 16:12, thiery louison wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> What is needed is quality articles, that is more oriented
>>>> towards
>>>> >>> newbies.
>>>> >>> >> A place where new comers would not be afraid to ask question or
>>>> or
>>>> >>> expose
>>>> >>> >> there failures. It should be a place where answers to questions
>>>> would
>>>> >>> not be
>>>> >>> >> one-liners(RTFM or Google it).
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > That's why I came up with the idea to aggregate individual
>>>> bloggers
>>>> >>> for the
>>>> >>> > LUGM website.
>>>> >>> > Take it as a start and see how it will work out.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Anyone read "The Bazaar and the Cathedrale"?
>>>> >>> > Literally, LUGM stands for the cathedrale instead of the bazaar!
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >> I personally believe that for a such a site to exist. it should
>>>> >>> organize
>>>> >>> >> events(Quarterly basis, School Holidays) such as install
>>>> Festival,
>>>> >>> Boot
>>>> >>> >> Camps and many more.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Sure, but there are also individual interests of LUGM members to
>>>> earn
>>>> >>> > money... So, there might be a dilemma...
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > --
>>>> >>> > Kind regards.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¯Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â»Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¿ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¯Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â»Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¿A. Because
>>>> it breaks the logical sequence
>>>> of
>>>> discussion
>>>> >>> > Q. Why is top posting bad?
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Get Blogged by JoKi - "The only frontiers are in your mind"
>>>> >>> > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ http://jochen.kirstaetter.name/ - http://www.ios.mu/
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >
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>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >
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>>> Forum: http://lugm.org/forum/
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