[lugm.org] OpenSSH is in financial trouble

Thu Apr 21 18:04:56 UTC 2011

Corporate donations generally require receipt. If any corporate
entity is interested, let me know, It could be a business writeoff
and a joint press release. I know one of the directors of the OpenBSD
foundation.

--- On Thu, 21/4/11, Ronny R. <redoverlord at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ronny R. <redoverlord at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lugm.org] OpenSSH is in financial trouble
To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 16:32

now the idea of having corporate members come in play.

As individuals, we cant contribute that much.
But all companies using openssh should be convinced to donate.

Most of us work at some company where openssh is a must, we could try to convince our bosses.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:19 PM, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:

:) set an amount per person how much one is willing to donate, then we can decide on what to donate it to or do a 50/50

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Loganaden Velvindron <gnukid1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080804095748&mode=flat

OpenSSH isn't in a perfect shape either. The openssh developers
are paying for the development servers from their own pockets.

It's an absurd situation: the most widely deployed service of any 
Unix-like system doesn't generate enough money to even be self

sustainable. 

Right now, OpenBSD is in the red, and to keeping it afloat helps
make sure some good work will extend to OpenSSH. Ideally, I'd
prefer to buy CD sales from the collected money. However, If

some of you would prefer to have your money go to OpenSSH,
we could split it: CD sales & OpenSSH donation money. What do you
think of it ?

--- On Thu, 21/4/11, selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com> wrote:

From: selven <pcthegreat at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lugm.org] OpenSSH is in financial trouble

To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 16:03

hmm its not about convincing people, its voluntary stuffs, if one wants, one gives, besides :p its not wise to announce that money is needed on a product's front page :D .. imagine the image that this leaks out :).

+selven

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Loganaden Velvindron <gnukid1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

OpenSSH is deeply related to OpenBSD. 

I'll give a concrete example: some years ago, a guy rewrote openbsd's

malloc to make it much more strict, and the OpenSSH developers used
the new malloc to catch bugs that would otherwise go unoticed. 

OpenSSH is just a part of OpenBSD. If OpenBSD dies, so does a lot of
potential good work for OpenSSH.

//Logan
C-x-C-c

--- On Thu, 21/4/11, Ronny R. <redoverlord at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ronny R. <redoverlord at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lugm.org] OpenSSH is in financial trouble

To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2011, 13:51

apart from the link you sent us, i see nothing
 on the openssh web site.

Would be hard to convince ppl that way.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Loganaden Velvindron <gnukid1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

OK, I got some updates from thib at . Basically, when donating to 

OpenBSD, and some of that money trickles to OpenSSH. 

To put this another way, innovations in openbsd, also go in 
OpenSSH.

The OpenBSD ppl would prefer CD Sales to support cvs.openbsd.org,

and assure us that OpenSSH will directly benefit from this as well.

I can personally vouch for those CDs, they're really cool, plus you have
some really cool stickers (that you can stick on your laptops like I do ;-)). 

Any objections to this ?

//Logan
C-x-C-c

--- On Wed, 20/4/11, Loganaden Velvindron <gnukid1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Loganaden Velvindron <gnukid1 at yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: Re: [lugm.org] OpenSSH is in financial
 trouble
To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
Date: Wednesday, 20 April, 2011, 20:13

The t-shirts have little profit margins for OpenBSD.

CD sales finance cvs.openbsd.org (in other words the infrastructure

and theo's salary).

Donation (money) finances the hackathon (for 1 week, openbsd
meet and work on code, this results in burts of activity in cvs logs).

The CD sales are the problem here. Personally I'd much prefer buying

CD Sales, since hackathons are not really an issue for now, even if they
are given away for conf/meetings. However, I understand that most people care about OpenSSH, rather than OpenBSD. I'my trying to find a good

way to get this going. I'll inform you guys as I get the info I need from 
openbsd folks.

--- On Wed, 20/4/11,
 aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at avabit.com> wrote:

From: aadil at lavabit.com <aadil at lavabit.com>

Subject: Re: [lugm.org] OpenSSH is in financial trouble

To: "LUGM Discuss Mailing List" <discuss at lugm.org>
Date: Wednesday, 20 April, 2011, 16:16

Hello,

I  think the LUGM can also donate money, or preferably buy CDs and/or

tshirts to be given away at the incoming Open Source conference.

What do the other members of the committee think?

Yours truly,
Aadil.

> Hi,
>
> OpenSSH could cease to exist. Why ? The OpenBSD CD sales

> are very much less this year. OpenSSH is financed through
> the OpenBSD CD sales.
>
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=130317982728763&w=2

>
> To cut a long story short, if OpenBSD doesn't sell enough
> CDs with the 4.9
 release, there WILL be no money for producing
> CDs next year. Part of the CD sales keep Theo de raadt employed
> full-time on openbsd.
>
> CD sales are very important, since OpenBSD is one of the last

> ``true'' open source systems. Instead of doing a commercial/community
> release, there is a single release for everybody.
>
> As such, openbsd requires a constant source of revenue in the form

> of CD sales. The CDs are ~ Rs 1500.00
>
>
> //Logan
> C-x-C-c
>
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